Bite Marks revised by Kittiekat

[sanityfair1.livejournal.com]

Hello,

I was reading Bite Marks (revised) over at BSV. I went away on vacation , and when I returned to read the updates the story was gone. I've emailed the author, but have yet to get a response. I was wondering if anyone had a clue as to what might have happened or where I could find the missing chapters. The next chapter in line for me to read was entitled Home.

Thanks so much!

Comments

[xtanitx.livejournal.com]

You're not the only one missing it! There's a thread over at BSV about it going missing, too.

What I recall was that in her last update she mentioned that she'd leave the completed story up over the weekend, but then was going to pull it. I don't know why, and now I wish I'd asked! I swear she mentioned that it would be available at FF.net, but I did a search for it last night and couldn't find it. :\ Hopefully you'll have better luck, or get a response from her with a link.

[lynnalso.livejournal.com]

Yes she said as soon as it was finished she was pulling it and posting at FF.net. Seems a very odd decision, doesn't it?

[elisane.livejournal.com]

Hello
Is this the story over at fanfiction.net? It has the same title but is by mjaw (who seems to be the same person) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5407400/1/Bite_Marks

[(Anonymous)]

I just joined the search and I see that mjaw and also written as kittykat. So is the story there the same?

[(Anonymous)]

Just a suggestion. When you mention a story it would be good to include the author's name as well then everyone can be clued in on the search. Also, I and maybe others, don't know what BSV is either.

[(Anonymous)]

I am so sorry I entirely overlooked that you stated the author's name in your heading.

[cordykitten]

No fun... she took it indeed down. *sigh*
When I saw it got reposted I wanted to wait till it's finished. Makes not sense at all to me to pull it.
The Forum entry mentioned is here
Silly me, it didn't think that she's the same that posts at EF too (but the story isn't there). Mjaw is kittiekat is kittiekattt in LJ.

Oh, at her LJ are some chapters. Last is Chapter Thirty-One: Room from Jul. 2nd, 2007. I guess it's the old version?

I swear, I had my reasons! :)

[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Hi guys! Warms my heart a little that there's a discussion going on where pretty much everybody seem to be shaking their heads about my deciding to pull BM from BSV - I'm glad you're not all joining in a Snoopy dance of joy. I can't shut up about it, though - reader riccadonna was kind enough to send me the link to this thread - and I feel I must explain myself. I'll try to keep it short. :)

I wish to send Bite Marks to an agent. I have been wanting to make contact with the publishing world for quite a few years now and feel I've managed to create a story that I can stand by and say this is my voice (channeling Joss Whedon). :) I finished Bite Marks for the readers who read it the first time around, you guys were the ones who pushed me into not giving up on it all together and to find my way back to the story I lost a little on the way, so I thank you for that. I couldn't very well send the story off to an agent without first showing it to you, now could I? No way in hell. And also, I truly wanted to hear what you had to say about it!

So I went back to BSV to post it there, in its entirety. And then, a few days back, I revisited ff.net - where I hadn't been in as many years as BSV - and was reminded how it all started there for me, and how all my stories are gathered there, and I couldn't not post. Of course, BiteMarks was already up in its whole on BSV and it seemed evil to do the slow thing on ff.net when I could just as easily post the first chapter and then refer my readers to BSV, yeah? And thus, I pulled it. Because I wanted to take it slow this time around, get some feedback. That's why I post anything ever, and, again, especially Bite Marks - I had to know what you, the readers, thought of it, and if it was strong enough to show to an agent. Well... we'll see, I guess. :)

Anyways, that's the big "why". *knock on wood* I just thought you guys deserved to know the reason!

Man, I couldn't keep it short and sweet, could I? ;)

Thanks, you guys, for all the support!
All My Love,
Annie.

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[cordykitten]

Hi!
regarding where pretty much everybody seem to be shaking their heads about my deciding to pull BM from BSV ~ I'm "shaking my head" because I didn't know that it vanished / why you took it down (*edit* and because it made no sense for me to take it down of the BSV to post it to FF.net). /
I didn't read the story yet, wanted to wait because you've posted so many chapters that I didn't have time to read yet. So it came as a surprise for me.
If anybody had know that you took it down because you wanted to sell it I *think* people would have understood and not worried/wondered where the story vanished too (maybe you said so in your story, I didn't see it in time). You're not the first person to do that (took a story down for rewrite). A lot of BtVS (spuffy) fanfiction were turned into an original fiction. :D
Good luck to you for selling it.

*reminds herself if ever seeing something new of Mjaw/kittiekat to read at once*

Because someone said (see above) you wanted to post it again at FF.net - if you'll turn it into an original you won't upload it again, huh?

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[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Hello, my dear! :)

I in no way meant that I wasn't okay with the head-shaking either way. Shake it all you want, as long as it's not a shake stating that you're wondering why I even started posted the story in the first place. :)

And, no, I'm not rewriting it into an original - that would be incredibly tricky - I want to attempt to sell it as a fanfic. This is why I didn't want to disclose that information, really - A) it sounds sort of presumptuous, I feel. Like, yeah, I'm THAT pleased with the story. Not something I wanted to just throw out there. B) it might be gosh-darn near impossible to actually get an agent. I wouldn't know, I haven't tried yet. I know the chances are about one in ten million with an original piece, so with a piece based on somebody else's characters? Hmmmm, shall we even venture a guess?

Alright, all my insecurities coming out now, but there you have it, why I didn't post my reasons for the whole world - well, for the whole pack of readers that have followed the story, anyway - to see. Hah. :)

So, there it is. It will be posted in its entirety on ff.net and I will leave it up in its entirety - with good due warning when I'm about to pull it to anyone wanting to read it so that they can send me a message or whatever not to take it down while they're reading it. :)

Thanks for the patience! :)

Hugs from me!

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[cordykitten]

I want to attempt to sell it as a fanfic. Really? Never thought there would be a market for that. I guess that means it will be more like a ST book (or the Alien Nation ones). (That's the only thing I could think of right now as an example.)
But you would wonder how many stories got turned into originals. The last one is Babysteps by Kallysten now (not sure how much work that was; Kallsten wrote about it once).

And thanks for reposting it; maybe I'll have a chance to read it then. :)
I only checked the FF.net more just recently; when I did it right I'll get update alerts on your stories now.
*hugs back*

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[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, there's a definite market. The Times even had a story a while back about how the literary world is beginning to see the potential of fanfiction. There are author's who write nothing but fanfiction, actually. How to become one of them is the tricky question. :) There's a whole slew of printed and bound Buffy fanfiction, have you never seen them in the fantasy/TV-series section? :) Amongst the Star Wars and the Battleship Galactica and the Angel? :)

Alright, I'm sure it's doable, but yeah, no, that's not for me. I love writing Buffy and wouldn't be able to change her character into somebody else, nor Spike for that matter. :P

That's lovely with the alerts and yes, you will definitively get a chance to read it!

Much love,
Annie.

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[cordykitten]

I missed to hear about the article from The Times (except should it been about Harry Potter). There was an article in our newspaper a long while back (Germany).

There's a whole slew of printed and bound Buffy fanfiction, have you never seen them in the fantasy/TV-series section? I'm not so lucky to have a shop around here available. I've seen them on Cons. Only because of a recent uproar (kerfuffle?) I know that there are fanzines sold (someone sold them on Ebay and people thought they were sold without the knowledge of the authors; it turned out that it were fanzines where authors had 'sold'/given (? not sure) the stories for publishing. But fanfics, there is always the question of copyright. I think it's complicated... (but I'm not a lawyer so I would have a clue).

Looking forward to read! But I could fall behind reading when I'm busy. I'll catch up (hopefully in time).

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[rahirah]

I seriously doubt that any reputable agent would touch fan fiction for a source that's still in copyright. You might try pitching it to Fox for their series of tie-in novels, assuming those are still being published. I know people who've done that, but bear in mind that Fox has fairly draconian rules about what they'll allow in their tie-in novels, and if they bought the story, it's very likely they'd demand some major changes.

Trying to sell BtVS fanfiction for a profit without Fox's approval has a high probability of getting you a cease and desist letter or possibly even a lawsuit. If you want to write fan fiction for mainstream publication, you'd be much better off picking a source that's no longer in copyright.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you're not the first person to decide that selling fanfic from a copyrighted source is a great idea, and I've never known it to end well.

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[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Look, none of this is news to me. I'm not a naive seventeen year old on a power-kick thinking she can take over the world. But I am a writer, and I will try to market my voice through all the mediums that I use it, and so help me God, if I have to go through Fox to do it, then I will try that route. I might come back with my tail between my legs, but I honestly don't think I will, because trying is never a failure - it's when you sit back and think hell no, that's way too hard, there's no way I can ever do that, that you really fail yourself.

Sorry about the lecture. I get rallied up by people telling me what to do, or what not to do.

I was not going to go anywhere with my material without having spoken with those who own the rights to the characters - I may seem like I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, but I'm not stupid.

And I'm sure you meant well with your comments, so thanks, I guess. :)

x
Annie.

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[rahirah]

Well, good luck - your original post didn't say anything about getting permission from that copyright holders, and I've seen a lot of fan writers over the years blithely assume that they can just sell their Star Wars opus on EBay or whatever, and the studios won't mind.

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[morgandawn.livejournal.com]

Hi there. Yes there are a few Buffy fanzines that were published and printed. We're collecting links here
http://fanlore.org/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer/Fanzines

where possible we try to link to the fic if it is now online.

earlier this year after much digging, we were able to determine that only one unauthorized 'net story was being sold out of the 1500 being offered on ebay. it turned out the the single copy had ended up for a sale at a convention - but had been meant for someone's personal use (aka printing it off to read later). all the other fanzines were published and sold with the authors knowledge and approval.

in buffy fandom, like a lot of the post-internet fandoms, there is more net fic than zine fic, but some zines are still being published (and of course used copies will continue to be sold).

now if you want to see fanzines..head over to Star Trek. Star Trek fanzines have been printed and sold and resold in the thousands since the 1970s. The same with Star Wars. A few fans are working on a project to create a list of all the Star Trek fanzines that were (and still are being) printed and sold.... take a look here
http://klhalliday.com/Zinedex/TitleIndex.htm

and for Star Wars here
http://sandcrawler.com/SWB/fanzines.html

interestingly both Paramount and Lucasfilm were OK with the publishing and selling of fanzines (Lucasfilm did not like adult het or slash fic). They understood that (a) no one was making a profit and (b) this was the main way fans kept interest in the franchise going between films/TV series. when we began moving to the net there was a spate of studios that suddenly sat up and took notice and tried to stop fans from posting fan fic online (ex. x-files) but they soon backed down.

so nothing much has changed.

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[rahirah]

I wasn't talking about fanzines. I'm well aware of zines; I used to write and publish them myself. :) The original post gave me the impression that the poster intended to find an agent and pursue a for-profit book deal, without any mention of getting the rights from Fox to do so. And no matter how lenient Fox might be about fanzines, I'm fairly sure they wouldn't approve of that. Since the poster's said that wasn't her intention, I wish her well.

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[morgandawn.livejournal.com]

nods. I think my reply ended up in the wrong place. someone above you was talking about buffy fanzines. but yes, I agree with you on the fact that Fox would not be warm to a for profit book.

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[rahirah]

Actually, if you want to find out how to pitch a tie-in novel, and what it's like working within Fox's guidelines, talk to msdori.

[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the aritcle in the Times was fairly recent.

It sucks when bookstores don't have the sections you want. Haha. I have to go to Stockholm to visit a certain store that has fanfiction and a whole slew of fantasy and horror. The market is definitively wider for fanfiction in the States than in Europe. I'm not saying I believe I'll make a living off of it, but getting an agent has been in the back of my head for some time now and thus: off I go to try. :) I'm in no way a lawyer either, but if the story is good enough all of that should work itself out in due course. Like I said, I know for a fact there are authors who have established themselves as nothing but BtVS fiction writers. I'm not naive in any way, I don't think it will be easy, and I don't know what sort of hurdles I have to get over in the process, I merely wanted to offer an explanation of why I pulled the story from BSV and why I don't want it floating about in cyper-space unattended. :)

Hope you find time to read it, then.

x's Annie.

[henriettaholden.livejournal.com]

Hey, I'm doing a writing and publishing course at univeristy and I'd just caution you to be very careful stepping into the industry with fanfic. Tie in writers are a specific phenomenon that usually starts with established authors being approached or commissioned. And in regards to agents, not only do you need to find the right agent who will care about you and your writing but you need to find one that is representing a tie-in writer. Here's a good association to get in contact with: http://www.iamtw.org/
Lastly, if you can remember it, I'd like to get the name of the article about fanfic. It would be good for my research if it isn't one I've already got.

[henriettaholden.livejournal.com]

Or university. Christ, sometimes my typing powers are used for evil, I swear.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey! Thanks so much for all the information; I had a general idea that it would be incredibly tricky to approach the market as an unknown fanfic author, but I would love to give it a shot, no matter how slim the chance is, so thanks for the link, that's incredibly helpful to me!

Apologies, as well, for stating that the article was from the Times when the one that I read was, in fact, in the Wall Street Journal! I saved it and here's the URL:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115836001321164886-GZsZGW_ngbeAjqwMADJDX2w0frg_20070916.html?mod=blogs

Hope it works and best of luck!
With regards,
Annie.

[kittiekattt.livejournal.com]

Yes, the above was from me. Kind of obvious, but I felt bad not tagging my name to it. :)