[identity profile] spikessire.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] seeking_spike
Hi all,

I'm searching for this series for almost 1 year now.

It all starts with Spike been sent by Giles to L.A. to get a book from Angel. The two vamps argue in the kitchen and Spike stabs Angel's eye with his cigarette. When Spike realizes what he'd done, he takes Angel with him to Sunnydale.


Does that ring a bell?

Thanks in advance,
SpikesSire

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Date: 2006-10-06 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
Wow. I'm going to have to unfriend the list until this totally not worksafe icon is gone from the first page of my Flist...

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Date: 2006-10-07 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
I'm sorry but you don't have the right to tell someone what kind of icon they need to use in this community. If you are that worried about an not worksafe icon showing up, you can always change your settings so that the community icon shows instead of the users.

Also, if you have a problem, I'd prefer that you email myself or [livejournal.com profile] copykween with your complaint.

Thanks!

ETA: Sorry about the multiple emails. LJ kept messing up the comment.

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Date: 2006-10-07 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
Please reread my comment. I didn't tell the poster what kind of icon they could use. I said I was going to have to defriend the community because of the inappropriateness of the icon for people who are reading from a work setting and I immediately went ahead and defriended...which is what I said I'd have to do.

I was being COURTEOUS by removing myself instead of yelling at the poster, which I agree I would have had no right to do. I stand by my right to post my opinion of the icon though, or does free speech only flow one way?

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Date: 2006-10-07 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
And as I said, if there is an issue with the possibility of having non worksafe icons show up, you can always change your settings. While you may have been being courteous by removing yourself, you didn't necessarily need to comment to the post. You could have simply done what you needed to do and not make a big deal about it.

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Date: 2006-10-07 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
Yes I did need to post about it. If I'm at risk of having pictures of people (no matter what gender they are) in the middle of the sex act on my screen whenever I read the comm I need to know. You have just announced that the mods aren't concerned about whether or not the comm is safe for viewing from any setting including work (and home since I have a young daughter).

If you HAD been concerned I would have refriended but I needed to know whether or not I could risk this kind of thing happening again.

I can't, and that's cool. I'll limit my reading of the comm to when I won't be seen by coworkers or small children.

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Date: 2006-10-07 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
No, you did not NEED to post about it. If you are constantly worrying about icons being worksafe then I suggest you take up my suggestion of customizing your journal so the community icon shows up instead of the users, and therefore avoiding the risk all together. You will always be at risk for running into non worksafe icons, so again, I say if you're that worried about it, change your settings.

I'm sorry that my concerns don't mirror yours, but I can't nit pick about everything. I didn't announce that we don't care, I just said that if you had a problem, you can change your settings. I also said that if you had a problem, you should have simply informed me or [livejournal.com profile] copykween, that way we could have handled this. Instead you made a post about how you needed to de-friend the comm. As this is the first time I've seen anyone make a comment like this, we can't set any rules unless we get complaints or someone suggests to us someting.

We simply can't change the whole comm to satisfy one person. If we get others who are concerned about this then we'll look into it, but as you're the only person so far, I can't impliment change just for one person.

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Date: 2006-10-07 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
No, you did not NEED to post about it. If you are constantly worrying about icons being worksafe then I suggest you take up my suggestion of customizing your journal so the community icon shows up instead of the users, and therefore avoiding the risk all together.

Proper netiquette is to put questionable material, ie pornographic photographs, behind a cut. I'm not changing my settings when this is the only comm of the dozen or so that I'm on where posters haven't followed proper nettiquette when I can simply defriend the comm.

I didn't know your policy was so unfriendly towards people who read from work or who have children who read over their shoulder until you actually STATED it. Now I know.

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Date: 2006-10-08 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
I NEVER stated our policy isn't unfriendly towards people who read from work or who have children. This is the first instance where anyone has ever complained about something of this nature, and as I stated before, we are not going to impliment rules to satisfy one person. If we get more complaints about this being a problem then we'll change something.

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Date: 2006-10-08 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
I NEVER stated our policy isn't unfriendly towards people who read from work or who have children.

What do you think jumping all over my couteous objection was if it wasn't taking a stand?

Who's going to say anything if the treatment they can expect is the same as you've shown me? I wasn't rude to the OP and I haven't been rude to you but you've been yelling at me for about 6 hours now. That looks like taking a stand to me.

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Date: 2006-10-08 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
See, the fact that there was even a 'courteous objection' is what I have a problem with.

And no one else is going to get this treatment because no one else has even said anything. The real courteous thing would have been to drop one of the Mods an email.

And if you think this is yelling at you, then you haven't seen anything yet hun. I'm trying to be civil towards you, while you can't admit that your actions could have been different.

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Date: 2006-10-08 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
You REALLY think that complaining about the OP to the Mods behind her back would have been more courteous than politely pointing out why the icon would cause problems for people reading the list from work?

Boggle.

If this is you trying to be civil, you're right. I don't want to see you when you're not even trying.

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Date: 2006-10-08 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
Yes, I really think that it would have been better to send a Mod an email then post a comment and start something like this. If we would have known someone had a problem with the icon, we could have politely said something to the poster and not had an argument with a member who thinks it's all right to tell people what to do when they are not a Mod.

And this will be my last reply because I simply refuse to argue about this with you any longer when you can't see that fact that your actions should have been different.

I do hope though that in the future, if there is a problem, you will contact a Mod instead of starting another argument on someone's post.

Good day!

Date: 2006-10-06 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikesgurl.livejournal.com
Mmm, I understand the previous commenter's concern, but I was just thinking how absolutely beautiful that icon was and was wondering if it was shareable...

Date: 2006-10-07 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladypeyton.livejournal.com
I agree it IS gorgeous.

Date: 2006-10-09 10:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
thanks and it's very shareable :o))

Date: 2006-10-09 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
First off, I'd like to apologize for this argument taking place on your post. We're in the process of drawing up a rule to help prevent this happening in the future.

As there are no rules that state certain icons are to be used, you are not in any violation and therefore do NOT need to change your icon.

I do hope that someone sees your post and is able to help you find the fic you are looking for.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to email myself or my co-mod [livejournal.com profile] copykween.

Re: icon irritation

Date: 2006-10-09 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodytearslife.livejournal.com
Oh no, you don't need to be apologizing for anything. I'm sorry that a comment was even made in the first place. And like I previously said, we're working on a rule to prevent events like this in the future but we don't plan on making any rules about what icons should be used unless we get more concerned individuals. As there's only been one so far, we don't plan on making any rules about icons.

And I do have to say, while I don't ship Spangel, that manip is wonderfully done. :)

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